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It actually is both (or either). The two spellings appear to have been used interchangeably. Tibor Grandtner (b. 1915) was convinced in 1997 that Grandner, Grantner, and Grandtner were the same surname, just with slight spelling differences. Access to baptism records in Slovakia and Hungary has bolstered his assertion. The surname on the baptism records switched between Grantner and Grandtner, from child to child, in many families. For example, my great-grandparents, István Grantner (b. 1841) & Emma Lányi, had 10 children. The baptismal records for 6 of those children, including for my grandfather Bela/Albert, listed the surname as GRANDTNER. There is a similar mix of surname spelling in the Tibor Grandtner branch. For example, Tibor's grear-great-grandparents are Michal Grandtner (b. 1764) and Katarina Schmidt. They had 9 children and the baptism records for all 9 list the surname as GRANTNER. Other spelling variations found in the Slovak and Hungarian baptism records are Grandter, Grandner and Granner. In some cases these variations may simply be transcription or recording errors, but others may be real changes in spelling.
The surnames Prandtner and Prantner have caused some difficulty in my research. The script P and the script G, as written by some in the 1700s and 1800s, can look surprisingly similar. Sometimes it looks like Grandtner (Grantner) and other times it definitely begins with P. There seems to be a relatively heavy concentration of the Prandtner surname in the Bratislava region (Sv. Martin; Nemecký) and in the Komárno region (Komárno). If I see Prandtner in these places, I assume the surname is not Grandtner. If it is in other places, like Kremnica, it is likely Grandtner, or at least deserves a very close look. I may have made some errors of inclusion, interpretting Prandtner incorrectly as Grandtner, so if it is on a critical genealogical path, I suggest you look carefully at the referenced source.
On the other hand, I wonder if Prandtner, like Grandtner, is just another form/spelling of Grantner. It would be very interesting if a male descendant of a Slovakian Prandtner would be willing to do DNA testing.
Maybe ... but most likely not. Tibor Grandtner, who was a very good researcher, believed that Grandner, Grantner, and Grandtner were the same surname and, as detailed above, there is some evidence in the baptism records to support that belief. Tibor located a coat of arms for GRANDNER. The question is: Can we claim that the cited Grandner coat of arms has any relationship to Grantner? Click here for a rendering of the GRANDNER Coat of Arms. By the way, not only are coats of arms very rare, they were typically awarded to individuals and not necessarily even passed to that person's heirs, and certainly not to anyone else who just happened to have that surname. This link talks about the real truth behind coats of arms.
I suppose if you look hard enough you will find scoundrels in every family. These folks, from an unnamed village, were quite the characters. This all started when I tried to find the "meaning" of the surname Grantner. We all know that many surnames derive from a profession: Baker, Miller, Farmer, the list is very long. I wondered if "Grantner" had a meaning. Turns out it did: "vagabond." I guess if you look for something, you've got to be prepared for what you find. Nonetheless, this may be why some of our ancestors added a "d" to their name. Intrigued? Click here for more information, and prepare to be amused.
Or at least our DNA shows that we are related to the Bronze Age people whose 3000 year old skeletons were found in the Lichtenstein Cave near Dorste, Lower Saxony, Germany. Based on DNA testing done by my 2nd cousin Janos and by me (Richard Grantner), the Main Grantner Tree is known to be in the Y-DNA haplogroup I-L38. Click here for more on the Lichtenstein Cave find.
The Grantner/Grandtner Family Tree contains both linked
and unlinked persons.
The group of people who are linked to Stephanus Grantner (b. about 1795), the current patriarch of the family,
and his wife Eva, comprise the Main Grantner Family Tree.
An unlinked person, or a group of people who are linked together but
unlinked to the main Grantner Family Tree, are in a Branch.
Branches are named after a person in that branch;
typically the person who provided the initial information about the branch.
The Basic Grantner Family Tree (including
all linked and unlinked branches) is a redacted version of the full family tree.
Information, other than the name, is excluded for individuals born after 1916 and not known to be deceased (that is, for individuals under 100 years old and assumed to be still living).
The identification of individuals to be marked as Private is done automatically, based on birth and death dates. This basic family tree is accessible by anyone.
The data is presented as a set of Web Cards. This format
is similar to the way information is stored in a genealogy program (software).
It is searchable and includes the branches (and unlinked individuals).
The Detailed version (see next paragraph) is not redacted.
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Cards for the Basic Tree. This format is searchable.
Use the "Index" or "Surnames" to find an individual. Click on the name to go to that card.
Identified members of the main branch of the Grantner Tree, or of an unlinked Branch, who have a password, also have access to the corresponding, more detailed, web cards.
The DETAILED Family Tree and Branches_ Web Cards (Password Required)
version of the Family Tree (including the Branches) is available
to verified members of the Main Treeof the family; that is, to descendants of
Stephanus Grantner and Eva, and their spouses...
The information is presented as Web Cards. This format is similar to the way the information is maintained in my genealogy program.
An individual User Name and Password is required for access to the Detailed Family Tree (and branches).
Contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org (or use the web-based email form) to obtain a User Name and Password.
If you use the email form, please be sure to include your own email address!
Evidence of your identity may be required. Members of an unlinked branch will be given access only to the branch for which they are a member.
Select the link to the tree or branch, to which have access, in the Drop Down Menu below and click the Go Button. This will take you to the gateway to the cards and tell you how to navigate the cards. Note that, in all cases, a User Name and Password is required for actual entry to the cards.
The Family Tree and Branch
Members in Context_ Descendant Charts (Password Required)
It is not possible to show a complete family tree, or even a large branch, in chart form; there are simply too many boxes going too many directions. A descendant chart or report is the next best thing, but they are limited to direct descendants, and their spouses, of the source couple.
There are two options for the Main Tree: a descendant chart and a descendant report. The chart and the report are very similar. The chart is a little neater and prettier, but the report has the advantage of being searchable. Each successive generation is indented for both options. Note that there are NEXT and PREVIOUS buttons at the bottom of each page of the report to navigate through the report.
Select the link to the Descendant Chart, to which have access, in the Drop Down Menu below and click the Go Button. This will take you to the gateway to the appropriate descendant chart. Note that, in all cases, a User Name and Password is required.
For the larger Descendant
Charts, you may need to click on the picture of the chart to enlarge it.
This branch was initially provided by Tibor Grandtner (born
1915 in Zvolen, Slovakia) of the Netherlands.
The Tibor Grandtner branch has two distinct sub-branches: 1) The descendants of Michal (Mich) Grandtner (b about 1764) and Katrina Schmidt form what Tibor called the "Kremnica" branch; 2) The descendants of Johan Grantner (b about 1770) and Catherina form what Tibor called the "Banska Bystrica" branch. Tibor is in the "Kremnica" branch. Though I have significantly enlarged the two Tibor Grandtner branches, I have not yet been able to identify the common ancestor for the two branches. However, the branches are linked by a marriage on 7 July 1891 when Jozef Grandtner (b about 1872), a descendant of the Johan Grantner, married Anna Paulina Grandtner (b 1872), a descendant of Michal Grandtner.
Tibor believed that the Grantners and the Grandtners have common ancestors. This is undoubtedly true since members of both the Main Tree and the Tibor Grandtner branch use both the "Grantner" and "Grandtner" surnames and the families lived near each other in Slovakia. However, the specific links to tie the Tibor Grandtner branches to the Main Grantner Tree has not yet been found.
It seems impossible to determine the parents of Mich Grantner and progress
further back in time with the "Kremnica" branch because:
1) None of the three marriage records for Mich reference his parents.
2) Though Tibor stated that Mich’s birth date was 15 October 1764, I cannot verify that and I do not know why Tibor thought that was the date. It would seem that the only record that would be that specific would be a baptism record. However, if Tibor thought that he had the correct baptism record, why didn’t he note the parents of Mich (which certainly would be on the baptism record)?
One interesting thing that I noted during my research is that the Main Grantner Tree and the Tibor Grandtner Branch seem to be segregated by religion. Virtually all the members of the Main Grantner Tree are Roman Catholic while virtually all the members of the Tibor Grandtner branches are Lutheran (Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession). There were certainly a lot of mixed religion marriages and I suspect that the Common Ancestor of the Tree and the Grandtner branch may tie to a couple with a common religion but with one of the sons switching religion in a mixed marriage.
This branch is a bit complicated because of the surname changes. The family members within this branch assumed the surname "Grantner" in place of "Grüntner" in the 1980s and 1990s. The branch originated in Rochester, Minnesota and seems to be rather small. I record the branch as best as I can both as a service to that family and to avoid unnecessary research (trying to link the branch to other Grantner branches).
Most of my research regarding this branch is contained in the Notes within the record for John H. (Schwersinske) (Gruntner) Grantner (born 4 April 1922).
The Anita Grantner Branch (Not linked to the Main Tree)
DNA testing of a member of this branch has shown that person is not related by blood to the main tree (descendants of Stephanus Grantner). The Y-DNA haplogroup of the person tested is R1b1b2 whereas the Y-DNA haplogroup of the main tree is I2b2-14. However, there could have been an adoption or some other reason for this. If a paper trail is found, that will override any DNA evidence.
I will continue to research and record information about this branch. This branch is located in Germany. It would be very interesting to get Y-DNA test results from other German Grantner families.
The Astrid Grantner Branch (Not linked to the Main Tree)
Astrid provided this information to me some years ago from Austria. The tree is intriguing but is basically a single line from Astrid back to her 5G Grandfather (b 1759). The problem is that it is very difficult to do genealogical research of Austrian records because there is no central depository. I would really like to get back in touch with Astrid or another member of that branch. A DNA test of a male member of the branch would be most informative.
The Janet Fitzgerald Branch (Not linked to the Main Tree)
This tree is another example where I managed to lose contact with the original provider of the data. Janet provided information to me regarding the ancestry of her husband. The interesting part here is that the senior members of the branch immigrated from Germany. Here again a DNA test would be most helpful and could be compared to that from the Anita Grantner branch. I would like to get back in contact with Janet or another member of that branch.
This branch should be of particular interest to members of the Jacobson, Sablack and Smith branches. Lavenia Krattcer (born 1920), the wife of Lewis Jacobson (born 22 June 1916), supplied most of the information. She also wrote an interesting narrative about the family. See the Notes attached to her family web card in the Main Grantner Family Tree (Password required).
Compiling a comprehensive family tree is a formidable task and, since births and marriages (and deaths and divorces) continue occurring, it is a never-ending task. I can use lots of help.
My specific needs are:
• Notification of any errors in the data (including spelling/typographic errors)
• Help in linking branches to the tree
• New Information and Updates (including adding younger members of the family) (Click here to see the type of information that is useful)
• DNA testing through the Grantner Family Project at Family Tree DNA
• Help with some of the "mysteries" listed below.
My last name is "Grantner"
and that was the last name of my paternal grandfather. My paternal grandmother’s
last name was "Blaha". I am just as much a “Blaha” as
I am a “Grantner.” My maternal grandmother’s name was "Garaja."
I’m as much a “Garaja” as I am a “Grantner” or
Elementary biology tells us we inherit one-half of our genes from each of our father and mother. U.S. convention encourages us to take the name of our father, unless we are a married female. The fact is, we are the sum of all our ancestors.
So…why is this the “GRANTNER” family website. Well, I had to start (and limit) somewhere. In some ways, the Grantner surname is easy. It is relatively uncommon and two immigrants to the U.S. had large families. Going backward in time, and trying to track all surnames, can be very tedious. But going forward in time (down the tree, descendants of Stephanus Grantner), it is a bit easier.
If you have just a little Grantner “blood” in your veins, or if you were adopted by or married into a "Grantner-connected" family, no matter what your current last name, I encourage you to take part in this tree. It connects you to a larger family. If you want to include more detail on your particular family name (surname), I will be happy to oblige. But, at least, include your immediate family and descendants in this tree.
All of our ancestors are interesting to us, but here are some that I think will be interesting to many members of the family. I define "Interesting People" as: 1) Those that have interesting accomplishments; 2) Those that have provided interesting information (stories); and 3) Those that are a mystery in terms of genealogical research. I would like to add to this list, so please contact me if you can help (by providing information).
Accomplishments (do you know of others?):
• Fr. George Benedict Zabelka (linked) - Fr. George Zabelka (born 1915) was the Catholic Chaplain, in 1945, to the 509th Composite Group, the Atomic Bomb Unit, on Tinian island. This is the unit of the crews of Enola Gay and Box Car, that dropped the Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He was an enthusiastic soldier and was comfortable with his role for many years. 30 years later, after an internal religious struggle, he did what he called “an about face” (using a military term that means to turn completely around), realized that this was not the way of Christ and dedicated the rest of his life to Peace. He went on a Bethlehem Peace Pilgrimage in 1983, at the age of 67. This was a walk for peace of 7500 miles (4000 miles in the U.S., 3500 miles in Europe) from the nuclear submarine base at Bangor, Washington to Bethlehem, Israel. In England, a television documentary was made of his life, The Reluctant Prophet, which has been shown throughout the world except in the United States. In Australia, a popular song about his courage and honesty, My Name is George Zabelka, played on secular and religious radio stations. See the Notes and Multimedia items attached to his record.
• Jeno Grantner (linked) - Jeno Grantner (born 1907) was a Hungarian citizen and sculptor. Her created one of the 14 bronze statues of the Millennium Monument in Heroes’ Square in Budapest, Hungary. This is a national monument of Hungary, and Jeno’s accomplishment is similar to creating the sculpture for one of the major Washington, D.C. monuments. See the Multimedia attachments to his record.
• Robert J. Tartoni (linked) - Bob (Robert Joseph Tartoni b. 5 June 1938) was a highly popular teacher at Grand Blanc High School (in Grand Blanc, Michigan). 4 years after his sudden death, GBHS dedicated their new athletic facility, The Robert J. Tartoni Athletic Center, in his honor. See his record for more information and articles.
Narratives or Attachments (enjoy, and provide some of your own):
• Martha Henrietta Less (linked) - Martha Less (born 1917) was the daughter of Anna Catherine Blaha (born 1878). Anna Blaha was the sister of Emma Blaha (born 1883), who married Albert (Bela) Grantner (born 1890), one of the early Grantner immigrants to the United States. Martha related some interesting stories about those early [to the U.S.] Grantners. See the Notes attached to her record.
• Lavenia A. Krattcer (linked) - Lavenia Krattcer (born 1920) was the wife of Lewis Jacobson (born 1916) provided most of the information for the Kulikowski/Sablack Branch. Besides the genealogical information, she also gave us a great narrative. See the Notes attached to her record for that narrative.
• Joseph John Grantner (linked) - Joseph Grantner (born 1909) was the oldest son of Albert (Bela) Grantner (born 1890). See the Multimedia item Map-ManistiqueNeighborhood for a map of the Grantner/Sablack/Less neighborhood in Manistique, Michigan in the early 1900s attached to the record of Joseph..
Mysteries (feel free to jump in and solve):
• The 3 Sablacks - This "mystery" arose when attempting to find the immigration records of Georgio Sablack (born 1886) and Frank Sablack (born 1893). One of the outcomes was the discovery of another Franjo (Frank?) Sablack, from the same Hungarian town of Modrus, born about 1872, who was in Manistique, Michigan in 1904. See the Immigration Notes for Paulo Sablack (born about 1881) for an explanation of the mystery.
• Emma Sablack - This is actually part of The 3 Sablacks mystery and concerns Emma Sablack (born 1909), the daughter of Paulo Sablack (born about 1881) who was born in Manistique, went back to Europe with her father and siblings between 1910 and 1920, and then returned to the U.S. in 1927. See the same Immigration Notes for Paulo Sablack for an explanation of the mystery.
• Albert Less and his brother(?) - In the 1910, 1920 and 1930 Census records for the Albert Less family, Albert/Adelbert (b. 1869) consistently states that he immigrated in 1903, but I cannot find any ship manifest listing him. However, I found a record for Bogumil Les who was born about 1882 (13 years yonger than Albert) who sailed from Bremen, Germany on the S.S. Koln on December 13, 1906 and arrived at Baltimore on January 2, 1907. He was joining his brother, Albert Les, in Manistique, MI. I could find no other reference for Bogumil. There is one more part of this mystery. It is my understantanding that Albert Less (and Anna Catherine Blaha) had 12 children, the youngest of which was Anna (born in 1920). However, the 1930 Census lists yet another daughter, Celenentea, born in 1921. Who is this? (Martha Less has stated that she did not have a 13th sibling; so this must be a typographic error in the census or ?) See the record for Albert Less for more detail.
• Whatever happened to Bert Grantner (aka Bartolomej / Bertalan)? - He immigrated at the age of 26 in 1907, coming through Ellis Island on 18 July. He accompanied his sister-in law Anna Iszkirka-Grantner (the wife of his older brother Gustav/Albert who was then in Michigan), his young nieces Mariska and Anna, and his young nephew Bela. On the ship's manifest, Bert stated that he was joining his uncle at 2050 21st Street in Cleveland, OH. I cannot read the name of his uncle with certainty, but it is something like Cricrau Kundrat. I could find no verification of this in the 1910 Federal Census. I found a Social Security claim (application?) for Bert dated 14 Apr 1976 (when he was 94 years old). In the claim, Bertalan's name is given as Bartolomej Grandtner. The date in 1976 MAY be his date of death. I also located his baptism record. His name in this record is given as Bertalan Grandtner. The story from Slovakia is that he married here in the States and had four sons.
• Whatever happened to Katalin Iszkerka? - She immigrated in 1907 and joined her husband in Manistique, Michigan. However, there is no record of her in the 1910 Census. Is this "Anna", the wife of Gustáv Iszkirka? See the record for Anna (b. 1877), the wife of Gustáv Iszkirka.
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